Is it true women like mean guys?

[EmotionSickness]

So yeah is it true that nice guys finish last? I've never been one of those mean guys who could jokingly tease a girl and not look like a loser in the process. I feel like I'm just a nice guy who is always beaten by the "mean guy". I've been a "nice guy" all my life and I feel like I've accomplished nothing at all. I'm not a geek, horribly ugly, or an arrogant person. I'm just a normal guy who tries to be himself and is nice and curtious. I've never gotten a date in my entire life just being nice(I'm in my junior year of high school). Do women just accidentally overlook guys like me or do women just not care at all for us nice guys? Maybe I'm just imagining all this or I just suck at being a guy.

[Spikeyz]

nice guys do finish last and only very lucky nice guys get a break now and again, women like a little bit of a challenge nice guys are easy to walk over.

nice guys generally try to sympathise with girls etc which makes them perfect emotional tampons, tht is pretty much a nice guys role then a mean guy grabs her attention. it just kinda works like tht

spikeyz

[clau]

its true, women like a challenge. they don't want to feel like they got the guy who nobody else wanted.

about liking mean guys...

women make more sense than that.

We like men with CONFIDENCE. if a guy thinks he's all that, then we're more likely to also think that.

some guys and women have so much confidence that they think they can even get away with being mean to people and poeple will still like them. This is why it sometimes appears that women are attracted to a guy's mean ways, when in fact women are actually attracted to that his tons of confidence.

About teasing, some teasing can be fun, other teasing can be hurtful. Women like the FUN type of teasing. There are a bunch of posts on this topic, just please don't join the camp of men who, because they don't understand women, claim that women are illogical beings.

[EmotionSickness]

Quite the contrary, I don't think women are illogical at all. I just believe I need help understanding them as women sometimes need help to understand men. And as for confidence nice guys have confidence too. I guess I just see the mean side of the guys women date and not the confidence. I hope I'm one of those lucky nice guys because I'm asking this girl out real soon. I hope she says yes. I guess I'll muster up all the confidence I can lol.

[Fireangel]

No, we do not like mean guys! at all...It's so hard to find a nice guy. I don't know why!!...it's hell...anyways, cause usually. Well in my case, pricks are attracted to me, and I am not a prick at all!!..I swear. Or they just want me to go out with them so they can show me off, or they want me to go with bed with them. F...ck..I don't get it, I've only had a boyfriend and it's cause he was a moron. I am 20 yrs old and I am so friggin naive, I am a virgin, I am kind. I swear. I don't understand why I've had those guys in my life. Whyyyyy!!!!!!....Is it because pricks like good girls??? I don't want a bad boy. I want a guy who acts like a guy, who is strong, independent and intelligent. A guy who's gonna make me feel like a woman. Not mean guys, mean guys suck.!!! Would you guys want a prescious girl who's mean? I mean, that character would make her look absolutely awful.
We girls don't like mean guys, we like confident guys!!...So, if you are a nice guy and confident guy you could have whomever you wanted. But usually nice guys are unconfident. Not being confident is a turn off.

[ajvv628]

women are illogical have you read any of Miss Direction's post on this site. man he speaks volumes.

[dewshine]

Though I agree with a few (and I mean very few) opinions of Miss Information....I do find that he speaks from a skewed view...

I think generalizing that all women do/do not like mean guys is too vague.

We must all remember that people are unique unto themselves and their experiences. It's these things that determine how they think when it comes to men.

I myself love my nice guy.

[BandGuy76]

I think there are lots of nice men out there. I happen to be one of them. What I have learned though is that there is a diffrenece between being someone who is nice and someone who is easily used.

People will use you, my friend, if you let them. It doesn't matter about thier sex. If you let them have what they want and don't expect or ask anything in return, they will learn that you are easily used.

When I make it known to a woman that I would like to date her, I try not to become her "best friend". That comes later. If she is interested, we move into a relationship. If she is not, I nod and move on my way. She may get irritated that I don't spend much time or attention on her anymore, but if she truely just wants a friend, a friendship will grow slowly from us knowing each other.

I think when you are in the first stages of knowing someone, you have to be willing to walk away if they don't seem to want to give you what you need.

Know what you need and know how to get it.

[EmotionSickness]

How do I make women notice a nice guy like me. I mean I'm not easily used but I'd take a bullet for most anyone in the school. Is there such thing as being too nice? I never thought being nice could ever be that bad for me... I hate the fact that women just feel sorry for me instead of actually having feelings for me...

[BandGuy76]

It's time for you to learn how to distinguish between being nice and being a chump.

First of all, it sounds like your trying to be nice to get girls to notice you. Personaly, I think that is the wrong reason to be nice. Being nice provides a warm feeling all of its own, without the need of external gratification to contiue doing it.

Being nice usualy requires reaching out to those who really need it, not the who we want to need us. Sometimes, the hardest people to be nice to are the ones that need it the most.

Self Sacrifice is part of being nice, but it should not be all encompassing. If you sacrifice yourself all the time for your friends, how are they going to feel about you needing them? It's always a nice feeling to be able to help out a friend when they are in need. However, if you are always on the giving side and never take what people have to offer, then there is nothing that you bring to the table of a relationship. Remeber, women want to feel needed too.

People don't notice "nice guys/girls" because they are taken for granted. The phrase "i'll always be there for you" they take to heart and forget abou the needs of thier nice friend.

Maybe it's time to define what you want so that you don't get taken for granted. Sometimes it is ok to "not always be there" for someone. Sometimes it shows that other peson that you have a life beyond them and that you are interesting and that they have to put work into the relationship as well as you to keep it going

Good luck

[Patsfan75BC]

Thats what i of the things i will never understand: Why do girl like guys who are a bunch of mean jack*sses. Not just in a relationship either. Take Eminem for example. Hes treats women like crap yet all these girls like worship him

i just dont get it..........

[Patsfan75BC]

And if the reason is taht they like the "challenge" then it poves my theory that girls and women treat everything like a game.

[Miss Direction]

Fireangel...
If you're gonna troll and give this guy false advice saying you always look for the "nice guy", please do us a favor and leave these boards.

You don't get your dick wet if you're a nice guy. Females are emotional, not logical. They "say" they want a nice guy, but that again....for selfish reasons of course, is just to stroke their ego. While you're busy trying to figure out if you're going to sleep with her or not, she's already "following her emotions" to the jerk who she's trying to change.

Women love jerks, end of story.

[dewshine]

BandGuy, good opinion!

There is a big difference between being nice and being a "chump", I have to agree. It is definately possible to be with someone who is nice but not easily used/lead by others.

Though men who are "mean" can pose a challenge to some women, others won't fall for the game.

I think that's a mark of maturity though, for both men and women, is knowing the difference between all these types and knowing what is best for you.

[Patsfan75BC]

Fireangel...
If you're gonna troll and give this guy false advice saying you always look for the "nice guy", please do us a favor and leave these boards.

You don't get your dick wet if you're a nice guy. Females are emotional, not logical. They "say" they want a nice guy, but that again....for selfish reasons of course, is just to stroke their ego. While you're busy trying to figure out if you're going to sleep with her or not, she's already "following her emotions" to the jerk who she's trying to change.

Women love jerks, end of story.


I wouldnt say girls are emotional, or at least truly. More like egoistic and dramatic......

[Billybob911]

i think that if your nice you will be better off in the end

[EmotionSickness]

I think I'd feel better being a nice guy with no date than to be an a**hole with one. I'm just talking about the mean ones not the "confident" guys.

[Miss Direction]

>>>>>i think that if your nice you will be better off in the end

No...
Nice guys get the "damaged goods" after the jerk is done banging her and she's got a kid or two.

Don't be fooled, nice guys really don't "win".



>>>>>I wouldnt say girls are emotional, or at least truly. More like egoistic and dramatic......

What do you think drama is moron?

LOL!

Drama is CAUSED by emotion.

Women get heads that are wayyyy too big for their undies because of all the wussies begging to have a night with them alone. NO real "man" presents a challenge to them. That, and we all know the easiest thing a woman can do is have sex with a man....if a woman wants it, she doesn't have to look hard for it. When you knock a woman back down to reality, she wants you because you won't let her get away with stuff and call her on her b.s.

[Iplaybasketball]

Some guys think I'm mean to girls but I'm not really. I'm actually relaly nice to them. The difference is I don't suck up to them at all. I do what I want on my own terms. If a girl does something I don't like I'll tell her in a playful way and i always make fun of girls and tease them. I guess its called BEING A CHALLENGE. If you're a plain out mean old loser you will never get a girl. so NO girls do not like mean guys. girls like challenging confident guys. jerks are challenging and confident. but I try to be the guy that's challenging and confident, but not jerky. yes i invented the word "jerky". its copyrighted. don't even think about it

[Patsfan75BC]

>>>>>i think that if your nice you will be better off in the end

No...
Nice guys get the "damaged goods" after the jerk is done banging her and she's got a kid or two.

Don't be fooled, nice guys really don't "win".



>>>>>I wouldnt say girls are emotional, or at least truly. More like egoistic and dramatic......

What do you think drama is moron?

LOL!

Drama is CAUSED by emotion.

Women get heads that are wayyyy too big for their undies because of all the wussies begging to have a night with them alone. NO real "man" presents a challenge to them. That, and we all know the easiest thing a woman can do is have sex with a man....if a woman wants it, she doesn't have to look hard for it. When you knock a woman back down to reality, she wants you because you won't let her get away with stuff and call her on her b.s.

its not caused by emotion if they are acting or faking it, idiot

[EmotionSickness]

The thing is when I tease or try to be a "challenge" I can't do it right and just look stupid and jerkish doing it. So I'm either a nice guy or the weird guy. I guess I just have to work on that.... *sigh*

[Miss Direction]

Patsfan...
Maybe in a few years you'll get what I'm talking about.

[Iplaybasketball]

The thing is when I tease or try to be a "challenge" I can't do it right and just look stupid and jerkish doing it. So I'm either a nice guy or the weird guy. I guess I just have to work on that.... *sigh*
you just have to get more used to teasing. you're probably at a stage where you think its weird to be a challenge. but you'll get used to it. have any examples of how you feel stupid? remember when you tease yo uhave to be funny at the same time.

[reignman]

I don't believe nice guys finish last either.

If you call getting bad boys sloppy seconds, of some beauty queen who wouldn't officially looked a second time at you in college, high school or junior high. But all of a sudden finds you attractive (Or should we say settle) because you reached your goals, and the bad boys are not so attractive anymore.

If you call that finishing, then yeah you have finished.

Personaly she has been banged over and over buy the bad guy, and had enough drama to tell her grandkids (which is initially what she wants).

Now it's time for her to settle down, and ooh look she has found you, who by now should be desperate to have her because you have no other option of good women in this country.

Face it this country bends over backwards for women.